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Re: Lowdown on the Lowdown: Sex Offender Statistics

Chris — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:45:42 -0000

You are now calling me a liar along with your other ad hominem attacks. Please, name one statement that I have made that is not true. Do not paraphrase. Quote the statement as it was written --no need for an additional rant. If I have said anything that is not true, I will certainly apologize.

Re: Lowdown on the Lowdown: Sex Offender Statistics

Rod W — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:15:32 -0000

I have to apologize for confusing you with facts. I can see you have already made up your mind, regardless what ALL the studies and research says.
Now, that is real confusing position to be in.
You made statements that were not true, hence, the links. I back up my position with facts not personal opinions. You know what I form my opinion based on a lot of studies. Hundreds of them.

Re: Lowdown on the Lowdown: Sex Offender Statistics

Chris — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:49:10 -0000

----By the way, cfcoklahoma,org is NOT a sex offender advocasy site. It is a “Citizen’s For Legislative Change,” site.-----

Way to put lipstick on a pig.

You don't know me or everything that I believe, don't assume that you do. I make my own decisions. There is not party, group, person, doctrine, etc., that I can find myself in complete agreement with. Don't come here and judge someone you do not know.

I do, however, know what I personally believe in, and I will continue to work for public awareness of known sex offenders. Period.

As I have stated in another thread, I have allowed your position to be expressed here against my better judgment. I have done so in the interest of free and open discussion. Please, do not abuse this privilege with insults to my intelligence, overly long posts, and lists of links. This section is intended for brief comments directly related to the accompanying post.

Re: Lowdown on the Lowdown: Sex Offender Statistics

Rod W — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:42:27 -0000

By the way, cfcoklahoma,org is NOT a sex offender advocasy site. It is a "Citizen's For Legislative Change," site. We seek sane laws not bad ones based on the entertainment News media hysteria, myths and lies. The whores for ratings have you in their back pocket as do the whores for votes.
You will believe anything they put out. We call them "sheeple."

Re: Lowdown on the Lowdown: Sex Offender Statistics

Rod W — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:36:09 -0000

Actually Cris, my scope of reading on this issue is extreamly broad. Where is your documentation.
Opinions are like a$$ holes, everyone has one. My opinion is based upon fact and research, yours "emotion." Emotion lacks intelligence. Emotion makes for bad law.
check out this intelligent man.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

www.cfcoklahoma.org

Re: Lowdown on the Lowdown: Sex Offender Statistics

Avendora — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:41:06 -0000

One bad law is too many...

Re: Lowdown on the Lowdown: Sex Offender Statistics

Chris — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:10:33 -0000

One sex offense is too many.

Re: Lowdown on the Lowdown: Sex Offender Statistics

Chris — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:05:53 -0000

Ho hum... Every study you have read says the laws are doing more harm than good --and I have tunnel vision? Maybe you should broaden your scope of reading material.

Re: Lowdown on the Lowdown: Sex Offender Statistics

Rod W — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:02:53 -0000

I have no sympathy for repeat offenders either, or for those who did not know their victims or for violent rapists. However, the vast majority are not pedophile. incest
makes and those known to the family are by far make up the greatest numbers and their recidivist rate across the board are in the single digits. The vast majority of registered sex offenders nation wide NEVER commit another sex offense. that is a proven FACT!!!!!!!

Re: Lowdown on the Lowdown: Sex Offender Statistics

Rod W — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:47:10 -0000

Well there is sensible minds who reason than there are closed minds who have tunnel vision.

EVERY study I have read says these laws are causing more harm than good. If you put every registered sex offender on an island the rate of new crimes would barely be changed. The REAL threat comes from FAMILY members and those known to the family. EVERY study brings that out.
The documentary, "Incest-A Family Tragedy," winner of 12 prestigious awards by Edward Blackhoff, brings out the fact that the family and those known to the family are the biggest threat to children . In the Blogtalkradio interview he states that 60 million Americans have experienced child sexual abuse and 30 million will go on to repeat what has been done to them. That's horrific!! However, most go unreported and unless We Americans get out of our own denial and educate ourselves and parent our children and teach them, there is very little, if anything any law can do. Every society since Adam and Eve without exception has experience child sexual abuse. Prevention through education is the only real key to this entire issue. Now those who do not know their victim, the repeat offender and the violent offender, I have no mercy for. There is an article on my site entitled, "Good Touch, Bad Touch." that every parent needs to read.
www.cfcoklahoma.org

Re: Lowdown on the Lowdown: Sex Offender Statistics

Chris — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:43:07 -0000

You are blurring the issue. When I speak of lifetime incarceration and the death penalty, I am referring to repeat offenders. This puts the odds at one offender against three convictions. Three convictions might just mean three separate victims. The innocent are still taking the risk here. This isn't a drastic, radical measure. It is a common sense effort to eradicate a dangerous, predatory element from society. Convicted offenders often refuse treatment, even if it is court ordered. Many offenders do not want to be treated. That is why they fail to register. That is why they abscond. That is why they go on to victimize more children.

You seem to think the majority of convicted perverts are really innocent and deserve a second, or possible even third chance. Who is the extremist here?

Tossing Nifong's name around doesn't add any credibility to your argument, either.

Re: Lowdown on the Lowdown: Sex Offender Statistics

Rod W — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:46:58 -0000

Be careful, your children can very easily be caught up in this rush to condemn and Mike Nifong is alive and well in every county, state and federal courthuuse in this land. Vindictive prosecution is legal and conviction is all that these prosecutors want. Innocence matters not, onlt a notch on their political record is what matters.

See Ricky's story at Rickyslife.com. He is only one of many. We have children as young as 10 on the sex offender registries.
Extremism is very dangerous. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Also, see the film clip and listen to the Blogtalkradio interview with the producer Edward Blackhoff. "Incest-A family Tragedy." at cfcoklahoma.org

Re: Lowdown on the Lowdown: Sex Offender Statistics

Chris — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:11:22 -0000

It is not the laws that endanger children, it is the Catch & Release system. If sex offenders are not released from prison, they cannot reoffend. Period. If we execute them, they cannot reoffend. Period.

People can say that this doesn't serve as a deterrent to other sex offenders. Perhaps there is no deterrent to keep someone from offending. When we have identified an offender, however, we can prevent them from harming another child.

So, the "emotion" is on the side of those who ball-bag over sex offenders being incarcerated or executed. The "intelligence" is in abatement.

Re: Lowdown on the Lowdown: Sex Offender Statistics

Rod W — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:04:56 -0000

Why is it that all the studies that come out say these laws do NOT protect children but rather puts them in danges. Stusy after study says the very same thing. Laws based on "emotion" make bad law because emotion lacks intelligence.

* Alaska - (2007) http://www.ajc.state.ak.us/...

* Arizona - (1988 - 1998) http://www.azcorrections.go...
Arizona, Department of Corrections, 2006
http://www.azcorrections.go...
• Length of time – Ten years
• Sample size – 2,444 sex offenders
• Results – 3.2% returned for a new felony sex offense, 1.4% returned for a new felony case of child molestation
• Reoffense trigger – new conviction (Any conviction)

* Arkansas http://www.acic.org/statist...

* California - (2005 - 2006) http://www.law.stanford.edu...

* Colorado - (2003) http://dcj.state.co.us/ors/...

* Delaware (2007) http://budget.delaware.gov/...

* Illinois (2002) http://www.icjia.state.il.u...

* Iowa - (2000 - Page 10) http://www.state.ia.us/gove...

* Kentucky (2006) http://wcr.sonoma.edu/v07n1...

* Michigan - (2000 - Page 184) http://www.michigan.gov/doc...
Michigan, Department of corrections, 2000
http://www.michigan.gov/doc...
• Length of time – Ten Years
• Sample size – 70,989 offenders
• Results: 2.46% for sex offense, 6.11% counting technical violations.

* Minnesota - (2007) http://www.doc.state.mn.us/...
Minnesota Department of Corrections, 1999
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:FSqlN1LCgcIJ:www.doc.state....
• Sample size – 1,407 sex offenders
• Length of time – 6.3 years.
• Re-offense trigger – new arrest.
• Results – 9% arrested for new sex crime.

* Missouri - (2006) http://www.mosac.mo.gov/Doc...

* New York - 2007 http://dpca.state.ny.us/pdf...

* Ohio - (2006) http://www.ocjs.state.oh.us...
Ohio, Department of Rehabilitation and Correction, 2001
http://www.drc.state.oh.us/...
• Length of Study – 10 years
• Sample size – 14,261 offenders
• Re-offense trigger – re-incarceration
• Results: Total sex-related recidivism rate, including technical violations of supervision conditions, was 11%. New sex crime after 10 years – 8%,

* Oregon - (Page 7) http://www.oregon.gov/DOC/R...

* Pennsylvania - (2005) http://www.cor.state.pa.us/...

* Tennessee - (2007) http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/...

* Texas - (2005) http://www.dshs.state.tx.us...

* Vermont - (2003) http://jiv.sagepub.com/cgi/...
Vermont Department of Corrections, 2003
http://jiv.sagepub.com/cgi/...
• Sample size – 195 sex offenders
• Length of time – 6 years
• Re-offense rate – not defined.
• Results – 5.4% for completed treatment, 30% for no-completed.

* Virginia - (2001) http://www.vcsc.state.va.us...
Virginia, Criminal Sentencing Commission,
http://www.vcsc.state.va.us...
• Length of time – 8 years.
• Sample size – 579 sex offenders
• Re-offense trigger – re-arrest (new crimes, sex and non-sex, and technical violations – including misdemeanors).
• Results – new sex offense arrests accounted for 14.6%

* Washington - 2005 http://www.wsipp.wa.gov/rpt...
Washington State, Department of Corrections, 2002
http://www.doc.wa.gov/budge...
• Length of time – 15 years
• Sample size – 65,000 offenders
• Re-offense trigger – return to prison (new convictions as well as parole violations).
• Results – 17%

* Wyoming - (2005 - Page 2) http://legisweb.state.wy.us...
Wyoming, Department of Corrections, 2005
http://legisweb.state.wy.us...
• Length of study – unknown
• Sample size – unknown
• Re-offense trigger – unknown
• Results: 4% to 5%.
visit www.cfcoklahoma.org